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Post by Fool of an Eriko on Jan 26, 2004 22:52:08 GMT -5
You know, everyone should have expected this from me. ^-^
Now, here's the big question: Is homosexuality morally right or wrong?
IMO, it's obviously not a big deal. I think homosexuality is pretty darn natural, or else it wouldn't exist in such big numbers. And I doubt with all my heart that it's a choice--why would someone CHOOSE to act in a way that is frowned upon? Really, now, and why should othes be bothered by what two of the same sex do in the privacy of their own room?
I'm all for it, and gay marriages should be allowed, because separation of church and state should take effect there, anyway.
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Post by .:Soleil:. on Jan 27, 2004 20:17:24 GMT -5
Kay, tis time I told ya bout some stuff. This will affect homosexuality in a way many people will be like "Wow cool" and then think for a second and say "Wait...what?"
1)Seperation of church and state does not exist. It is no-where in the constitution or any other government document. It is, however, included in a letter from some big guy and it is meant to mean there will not be an American Church ((the Church of England, for example. No government controlled churches, not that churches cant participate in government affairs aka gay marriage)) 2)It is morally wrong because marriage is meant to be between a man and his wife, not a man and his husband. 3)I am a Christian, and it states more then once that this is not acceptable. Thats the last on cuz most people wont care what I believe unless I can give fact they believe. Since most people at least believe the government, there ya go.
Also, it is a choice, just like anything else you decide, just like believing my post is a choice.
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Post by Fool of an Eriko on Jan 27, 2004 23:16:54 GMT -5
You failed to explain exactly WHAT makes it a choice, so I can't rebut on that until you give me an arguement. The Constitution isn't as followed as people make it out to be. I'd like to direct you to this article, which points out many cases where very important US laws are hinted and not directly stated. Here's another one.Me being a Democrat, I believe that the Constitution is guidelines and laws are common sense. Here's a quote I'd like to introduce you to. "Last time we mixed religion and government, people were burned at the stake."Now, really, do we want the government burning and condemning people because of how they're born? Again, you didn't give me an arguement on the "choice" issue, so I can't say much here. Homosexuality is already condemned, so, again, WHY would anyone in their right mind--perfectly good people (I know a few of them)--choose to do something so looked down upon? And if two people are in love, does God really want to take that away from them? And then there's the arguement that "if they're born that way, God is testing them and wants them to overcome it". Well, personally, God's a big jerk if he works like that. I wouldn't want to be born gay and never be able to love because God doesn't want me to. I understand that "it's all to reach heaven", but why waste your life on Earth trying NOT to be who you are? I thought life here was supposed to be precious and loving. Anyway, that's all for now.
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Post by jewguyofdoom on Jan 29, 2004 0:16:11 GMT -5
dose that mean the thingaling is closed guess not
even tho i hate arguing religously and about sexual prefences i have no choice...arguing is "my calling" or hobby your choice
right! ookk lets see this in a better manner..if we can
my question for quite some time was if this was a choice or not.... guess what i dont know.... havent for sometime! but i know quite a few peps that are homosexuals! and i havent talked to any of them about that... mabey i should?? i donno but im me and yeah.. one of'em, Mady whos a senior at our high school id indeed gay...and so what dosent make her any differant! damn honestly i turned a corner yesterday and there ------ making out..now this was a little suprising, y? cuz that i dont see.. y because the assholeic fucks who opress'em make them feel out-casted! belittled! even un-wanted! without them i wouldnt have half the friends i have now. when i found out that they were homosexuals didnt change a thing! y because i dont care what someone's sexual preferance is! thats why and anywho thinks that marriage is for a man and a woman is not lookin to well. i belived it is said by a preist i know...i went to a wedding ok... but i heard him say"let these two lovers join" i didnt hear"let this man and this woman be joined" nota damn word like it! so heres my bottem line 1. a choice? i still dont know mabey is it or isnt 2. should gay marriage be legal? yeah! y not? 3. should i go to sleep? nah im pretty wired 4. should we seperate curch from state(actually it should be something like "religion from state" because thats singeling out other religions!) yes we should and allways should!
thats me and my oppion so..... DEAL!
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Post by .:Soleil:. on Jan 30, 2004 0:46:51 GMT -5
Ok..i realize i didnt make this clear, and maybe I should say soem stuff that might make you understand more. Okay...God created the world, yeah we know that, he originally made us. But, after we sinned, he cast us out of his sight until we die and go to heaven, yeah yeah yeah. But heres the part i didnt explain. God, to show if we truly love him or not, lets Lucifer ((satan, the devil, w/e u wanna call him)) test us, to see how well we follow him. I mean, its all well and good until someone says "Wait...thats against God" you have to decide whether thats going to change what you do or not. NOw...homosexuality isnt a choice, its a temptation, more specifically, and being tempted happens to everyone. BUT, Christians should CHOOSE not to allow themselves to follow the tempation for lack of a better term,so in essence it is a choice. but its more of an indirect choice. And the reason the burning happened was because of the Church of Rome or the Church of England.....because the government was controlling religion. I mean, I dunno what you think, but we have Christian leaders and they usually have more control over their actions because they are Christian and follow the Bible. but everyone makes mistakes...and Im not saying dont love Homosexuals anymore then a normal person, because God says love everyone,. I mean, if you're Christian, you wont WANT to be a gay. But, if you see that you cant before truly deciding, then you'll never make up youre mind....and my hands hurt,. so ill let you argue...
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Post by Razor-X on Jan 30, 2004 18:18:12 GMT -5
Personally, I see nothing wrong with homosexuality, because I think that people are born with it. I know all different types of people, and I wouldn't feel right if if I were to look down on others as sinful or lower than me simply because of the way they were born. To me, anyone who has a problem with somebody over something that really is their own buisness is no higher than a sexist or racist. Looking down on anyone because of the way they were born is pathetic, and it's because of close-minded people that there are a lot of problems in the world. (I'm not calling anyone names or anything, this is a generalization.)
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Post by Fool of an Eriko on Jan 30, 2004 20:37:58 GMT -5
The thing that gets me is why Satan wouldn't tempt EVERYONE with homosexuality if he really wanted to thwart God. If that was the case, everyone would be tempted to be bi, and overcoming such sin would be chosing someone of the opposite gender as a soul mate.
I'm not Christian and most of Christianity has never made much sense to me, so I suppose it's pretty useless to argue on the basis of religion. Morals are easier to judge, and Razor/Ben has stated my feelings in his post, for they parallel his. =D
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Post by .:Soleil:. on Jan 31, 2004 2:55:21 GMT -5
Ok..i dotn look down on anybody. Just incase anyone wants to know. And if ppl are going be homosexual and Christian it makes no difference. The thing of people being born homosexual isnt true. Everyone, at one point in time, is tempted to be bi. Some ppl just get over it more easily because
A)Theyre Christian like me B)They have skewed views of homosexuality or C)They see a really hott girl.
I mean, a lot of people do look down on gays, and I dont think thats right. Im in a wierd position because some of my friends are gay and i think that gay people are nice and all...but my religion is against homosexuality. So, I think, that the first step would be Chrisitian gays...if you ever meet one tell me. Alot of them think you know "They're against it they think they're higher then me so Im just going to ignore it" but I think, in the end, that if you are a Christian and a gay, God isnt going to say <wierd quote thingy> "U SuX0Rz!!!!!!!! Go To HeLl!!!!!!!!!"</wierd quote thingy> Because they truly felt that way. So if a person is truly..well I guess as you say "born" gay, then he shouldnt force himself to be miserable. Just maybe pray about it and read the Bible and stuff...maybe then God would show them what to do, or a way not against the Bible that wouldnt be horrible for them. And now, I must go to bed.
Oh, and Satan, in hell, would be saying
"FOOOL!!! ALL WE DO IN HELL IS PLAY DDR!!!!" ;D
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Post by jewguyofdoom on Feb 5, 2004 2:48:25 GMT -5
ddr or hevan....tough choice....--eye twiches-- nah im joking id pick hevan cuz i think they play it there anyway and i dont like being hot unless its cold! ssoo i read somekind of thingamambob and i think...were all bi....aperently everyone has one homosexual thought in thier life....and mabey thats "the devil" "tempting" me but i dont care which i go to hevan or hell! why i dont im 15! thats the fuck why when im 90 i'll give a damn!
but to say i havent had that thought yet. so im waitin for it...when it happens i hope its not something with eric cuz i fuckin hate him.ookkaayy and i hope i go to hell cuz if i do ima have one hell of a tan! and... IF i do (which i dont think there is a hevan or hell were just reborn as a new person) i get to spite my religion! and if i find out ive been reborn like a hundred times that would explain why im so tired
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Post by Fool of an Eriko on Feb 8, 2004 16:20:49 GMT -5
If everyone were tempted to be homosexual, I'm pretty sure I'd be a lesbian, seeing as I'm sort of into that kinda thing... with yaoi n' all. =\ Or else, it would be easier for me to look at another female and think she's hot.
If it IS a choice, look at a guy and try to be attracted to him in that way. TRY IT. I've tried it with females, just to see if it works... it doesn't. >_>;
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Post by Razor-X on Feb 12, 2004 2:08:33 GMT -5
Ok, you know something, I gotta question. What if you've... done some things...you know... but you weren't necesarily INTO that kind of thing? Blarg, too confusing. Well, I can't really say what I want without ummm...screwing up some things, so yeah. (Maybe I'm just really, REALLY open minded?)
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Post by .:Soleil:. on Feb 12, 2004 21:34:18 GMT -5
You mean...............
Ew. Ok then. If you're open minded....w00t for you. I dont really wanna know what you meant right there. But oh well.
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Post by Fool of an Eriko on Feb 14, 2004 19:52:58 GMT -5
Err, lust and fun? =P I dunno.
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Post by .:Soleil:. on Feb 14, 2004 23:46:06 GMT -5
or really drunk Ok, sorry, kind of off-topic. But yeah....I think we've argued out stuff....but its possible to be a choice, cuz when Im....wait.....nevermind.
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Post by Razor-X on Feb 17, 2004 11:54:21 GMT -5
Being drunk is fun until you need to throw up. Then it's not so f--
Dammit.
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